Grace, A Verdict, And A Fight

Start with an expert calling hospital actions “insane.” Then meet the dad who refused to let the story end there. We sit down with Scott Shara to unpack the trial after his daughter Grace’s death, the 11–1 defense verdict, and why he believes cultural programming and reimbursement incentives can eclipse informed consent and patient rights. This isn’t rage for its own sake—it’s a step-by-step walk through expert reports, pretrial rulings, and the language of “standard of care” that can define life-or-death choices as routine.

Scott explains why he self-published his new book and framed its thesis as a question, then loads it with endnotes, diagrams, and primary sources so readers can judge the “receipts” themselves. He argues that when implied consent stands in for real conversations, families lose leverage, especially in ICUs where sedation, ventilation, and code-status labels move fast. We talk about how Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement metrics push clinics to enforce protocols, how that pressure shows up at the bedside, and why a single dosing decision can have irreversible consequences.

Grace remains at the center. Scott shares memories that ground the mission and reads an excerpt from his expert’s report on sedative dosing and predicted cardiovascular collapse. He also describes current advocacy for a disabled patient navigating state guardianship—proof that these issues don’t stop at one case. By the end, we come back to two challenges: prepare yourself to ask hard questions before a crisis and decide how much trust to place in systems that ask for compliance first. If you care about medical ethics, informed consent, patient advocacy, and what really drives “standard of care,” this conversation gives you facts to examine and a story you won’t forget.

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Transcript

Opening, Disclaimers, And Sponsor

SPEAKER_04 0:44

Thank you, Sergeant at Arms. You can now take your post. The views and opinions expressed in this program are solely those of the individual and participants. These views and opinions expressed do not represent those of the host or the show. The opinions in this broadcast are not to replace your legal, medical, or spiritual professionals. Today is 2, 29, 2026. Scott Sherrill is going to be joining us today. He has his little baby gal. He's done the show twice before now, and his baby gal was well, he calls it murdered. And he has got a new book out there. The book is called Is the Government Illegally Killing Us? That's the question mark. Is the evidence obviously how fear of death and illusion of freedom turn us into accomplices, too, evil? That's Gracie's dad wrote this. And I believe that uh he's got something to say. And again, I think we should listen and we should have his perspective. He'll be with us shortly with Mr. Scott Ferro. Stand by the current healthcare system is not meeting the needs of real people. People are demanding better, better care, better options, and want results. So Garethcare has launched and is advocating for those in the U.S. and internationally. As people are realizing the control system has not been there for them. If you want your own independent advocate that is not controlled by big corporations, call or text and enroll today to get your advocate for your needs serving all ages. Or any healthcare needs you might have, you matter. Here's how you get started. www.garethcare.com. That is D-R-A-I-T-H. T-A-R-E.com. Call Gareth Care Direct at 469-864-7149. Call or text the questions to Healthcare Stocks and get an advocate with Gareth Care. 469-864-7149. Mention Hutcast and you will get an additional 10% discount on your first advocacy bundle. Staff at Gareth Care will take care of you. Remember, mention Hotcast and get that extra 10% off your first bundle of time. And this is all brought to you from Gareth Fair.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

So you're here serving as an expert, but you're not making a single dollar off this case, is that right? That is correct. Please tell the jury why you agreed to do that.

SPEAKER_02 3:30

This case, so as a background, since I came to Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center 16 years ago, all of the malpractice cases that I have testified in prior to this one were for defendants. I was defending physicians against malpractice claim. This is the first one where I've testified on behalf of a plaintiff. The reasons are because the breaches of the standard of care were egregious. And I could not live with myself without answering the call to review and give advice on this case. So during my testimony, we have gone through a number of things that I've identified as breaches of the standard of care. My reports are very long. The number of the breaches of standard of care I identify in my reports are too numerous to count. But some of them stand out. One was the manner by which the father Cheryl was evicted from the hospital and its impact on the outcome in Gray Sharon. And I found this to be shameful conduct on behalf of the hospital. The second issue were the breaches of standard of care related to informed consent. And I find it indefensible that this patient was given medications, very dangerous medications, not theoretically dangerous medications, but medications proved by the medical record to be dangerous to this patient without informed consent. The events on the 13th are very difficult to recognize. The repeated administration of Residacs on the 13th was not just a breach of the standard of care. It was insane. The administration of morphine on 1013 to a patient who was unconscious, unresponsive, had lost her blood pressure, had no palpable pulse, and whose respiratory pattern was screaming to anybody who would look. Metabolic acid doses.

Scott Shares Trial Outcome And Why They Lost

SPEAKER_04 6:31

Can you hear us okay on your side? I can, thank you, Jim. You you have a number of things going on. And I think the last time we talked, you were about to go into testimony. How did all that turn out uh with the state, with uh the hospital? Read me in on this.

SPEAKER_06 6:53

Yeah, so you know, we let's zoom out just a little bit. Grace um was my best buddy, she had Down syndrome. Uh she was killed in a hospital on October 13th of 2021. You know, as uh God's providence would have it. It's amazing to me that we ended up in a uh lawsuit for a wrongful death trial. And it's quite a pursuit to do a lawsuit. I wouldn't encourage anybody to do it unless God calls you into it. But that lawsuit was filed on April 11th of 2023. Uh it began on June 2nd of 25 and ended on June 19th with a verdict in favor of the defendants. So the hospital won 11 to 1 uh in spite of us having a better case, better experts, um, everything. I mean, we were better prepared. I've never been more prepared for anything in my life. Uh the trial itself was um, I thought it was exciting um because everything was, you know, we were scoring ourselves, my myself and the legal team, which is four four and a half attorneys. We had a fifth one joint at the end. Uh we were scoring ourselves every day, and we thought even on the worst day we scored even. Otherwise, we won every day. But in the end we lost, and I believe we lost mainly because of programming. Uh and I'm going to cover a second reason, but big picture, I think we lost because of programming. Mean meaning society is programmed to trust the system, not just the legal system, but the medical system. And so when you go up against Goliath, it's an uphill battle. And my legal team warned me of that. They said, you know, the if we can convince the jury of our uh case, their life is going to change. And people don't like that. Because if you realize this can happen and does happen in a hospital, um you know that's unsettling. Uh so I believe that's the primary reason that we ro lost. The secondary reason, uh, which gets you current is is the judge denied our motions in limiting. And I'm going to explain what I mean by that. Uh and because of that, I filed a motion for a new trial on October 29th, and the hearing on that uh motion was on December 19th, and the judge denied the motion for a new trial. So that was a couple months ago. Uh, the essence of that motion for the new trial was because the judge unilaterally denied our motions in liminy during the pretrial in May. Motions in Limini are what both sides file in order to keep certain things out of the trial. So, for example, the defense, we went through the defense's requests uh for motions in liminy, and one of them was that uh we don't use the word murder in the trial. It wasn't a murder trial, it was a wrongful death trial. So that's a reasonable request for that trial. So the judge, of course, granted that. Well, then it came time to discuss our motions in liminy, and right before that discussion, we were having a discussion about media because, as you know, the trial was live streamed, uh, and you know, that was a gift from God just to have that. So millions of people saw what was behind the curtain. But ultimately, during that discussion, my legal team explained uh that I had given uh press interviews to the local media, and the judge uh was angry over that. Uh basically said that you don't have control of your client, you shouldn't be giving interviews as close to the trial. And uh he said there's gonna be consequences on the plaintiff. There's gonna be consequences that are all gonna be on the plaintiff. So now we turn the page to the same day, we're going through motions in limini, so now it's time to go through our motions in limini, and the judge wouldn't even hear them. He just said all the plaintiffs' motions in limini are denied. And our motions in limini covered two things. Uh, the first one was that my religious beliefs would not become part of the trial, and the second was that my research post-grace's death would not become part of the trial. And so because he denied those, the defense was able to jump on that opportunity and you know they painted me as a religious conspiracy nut.

SPEAKER_07 11:19

Really?

SPEAKER_06 11:19

So I mean, yeah, so I mean that's all fine. I mean, the reality is that uh that type of um the type of information I was able to share because of that was a gift from God because I shared about the incentives, um the COVID incentives, the COVID scam, all of that, which I would have never shared any of that if our motions in Lemini would have been granted. But we would have had a lot better chance of winning if the defense didn't paint me the way they did.

SPEAKER_04 11:50

Well, that's kind of their job, isn't it? They're trying to turn you into some kind of a crazy wing, whichever wing it is, and they spin you around. And I mean, that's that's literally their job.

Programming, Trust In Systems, And Motions In Limine

SPEAKER_06 12:01

Yeah, it is their it is their job. So I mean they did a great job with it. I'm I'm not uh they're not my enemy. I mean, uh Satan is my enemy, and you know, right. He's he's just got the all these tentacles that are working against us, and you know, the legal system is one of the tentacles of the anti-grace system that we're in.

SPEAKER_04 12:19

Now, for those that don't know you in the audience, and and our new listeners, and we we've got a whole bunch of new listeners, I might add, Scott. I've met him personally. I met Scott personally. We we met at a at a thing, and it was all about uh common sense. He didn't he didn't throw out uh left wing, right wing. He just he just threw out common sense. And and if you ever get a chance to to be at an event he's hosting or being at, uh you know, you gotta come up and meet him. So my take on this is that Scott's a straightforward shooter. I mean, and he says it the way it is, and and and that works good for for at least from in my head.

SPEAKER_06 12:54

Just to Well, I I think it works well in in most people's heads, but you know, the programming is unbelievable. As you process this concept of programming, Tim, um, they have indoctrinated the population through the public fool system. You know, even you and I, I mean, we're you know, the younger generation is fully indoctrinated because now they're married to their phones on top of it. So their attention span is near zero. But you know, even the indoctrination when I was in kindergarten, which was in 1968, I dug up, I went online, I mean, you'd be surprised at the things you can find in the archives. So I went online to find the weekly reader where they promoted this. And I couldn't find that particular one, but I found the teacher's edition. But what they're promoting was uh this whole limited resources on the planet nonsense in 1968. So they said if your parents have more than two children, that's irresponsible. If your parents have an electric can opener, that's irresponsible because it's using up the limited resources on the planet. So that uh nonsense was being promoted, programmed into us already in 1968.

SPEAKER_04 14:01

Wow. Sometimes you can't even write this, can you?

SPEAKER_06 14:05

No, I mean I say that often. My wife doesn't like that phrase that you can't make this up, but you can make it up.

SPEAKER_04 14:10

Maybe with some expletives involved there.

SPEAKER_06 14:16

I can't say that stuff on the air.

SPEAKER_04 14:18

Well, you Hotcast is kind of an open forum, and if we if it slips out, everybody, you know, that's the way it is. This is how we roll.

SPEAKER_06 14:26

That's great, Jim.

SPEAKER_04 14:27

Now, you have a new book out, and and I've been kind of kind of skimming through some of it. I I didn't download it, I'm just trying to read the highlights. And and I I am very well aware of what it takes to uh make a book, to write one, to get one published. I mean, there's a whole lot of steps here. Uh did you is your book um represented by talent?

SPEAKER_06 14:49

Uh no, I self-published it. Okay. And the reason I self-published it is I had approached a publisher um and quickly realized that they're going to change my message. Uh so it it was obvious I was gonna self-publish. Uh it the book came about. I never thought I'd ever write a book. I didn't think I'd have time. I'm I'm trying to um make sure Grace's death is not in vain. I want to make sure that nobody else loses their best buddy. Ultimately, I started working on right after the trial was over, I have been working on a series called Escaping Babylon. I started working on that, and God put on my heart, write down everything that you know about the medical industrial complex. And so I started doing that, and I thought it was just gonna be a very long Substack article. I sent it to a few um people. One was a doctor to review to make sure I had things technically correct. And the doctor proud of me and said, Scott, this is a book. Well, then um it was actually quite easy to write it. I had it written um substantially complete by the end of October, uh, but it's not being released until March 10th. I mean, that's how long it takes from the time you have it written to get through all these hoops. You know, editing, of course, is a very important thing, the copyright editing, because you want to make sure you have a great product. Right. And I, you know, the the copyright editor had complimented me on my writing style, but I mean there's all these there's these little nuances that uh I didn't remember from grade school when you know you you had your training in grammar, and you know, she just did a great job with that part to make the book as you know, it's the best product that I could put forward. Um the book is aggressive. Uh it uh there's little things that you don't think of when you write a book. Um I'm gonna come back to aggressive, but uh my mind is kind of wandering why you're saying that. But I'll give you just an example. Um I have a picture of uh RFK Jr. and Trump in an airplane eating McDonald's food. And you may have seen this picture anyway. So I have that in the book, but when you have a book, you can't have those logos in there. So RFK Jr. has a bottle of Coke. I had to scrub the Coke logo, I had to scrub the McDonald's logo. This type of stuff is, you know, it becomes this these nuances that if I would have known that when I started writing, it would have been a lot faster process.

SPEAKER_04 17:25

Well, you you probably had better grammar in school than I did. I'm I'm one of those guys that can see a word ten times and still spell it wrong. So I I treated my book like it was a 90-hour podcast, and I had my dictation work on it. So basically I'm in the studio doing the same thing. And it took me probably a good three months, four months to get it written, multiple parts, you know, it was kind of a thing, but we got representation because we happen to have an inn on a gal that's taking care of it. Uh three Seashells, a company in Milwaukee.

unknown 17:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 17:56

And she rocked it. So if you ever get to the point where you need some proper representation, especially these guys, this is what they do. You know, reach out to me and I'll get that name over to you.

SPEAKER_06 18:06

Oh boy. Yeah, that's uh I did start my second book. So this book is titled, Is the Government Legally Killing Us? And uh, you know, I know you've been following what I've been doing. So I become a student of Revelation 13. So I see Revelation 13 as God sharing with anyone who wants to listen Satan's dualistic nature, the Antichrist system and the false prophet system. So uh a way to interpret that is the physical side and the spiritual side. So the first book is dealing with the physical side, is the government legally killing us. And the s the second book I've titled uh Is the Church Spiritually Killing Us?

SPEAKER_04 18:46

Oh yeah. I mean, uh what what site? I mean you had a site for uh Gracie, what what did you call it?

SPEAKER_06 18:51

What the book lunch is Our Amazing Grace.net. There it is. Uh the yep, the book the the covers right on uh the front page of the website right now. I see.net.

SPEAKER_04 19:06

Yeah, that's the one I was looking at. And that is a very nice website.

SPEAKER_06 19:11

Well, thanks. It's uh that was a long time in making. Interesting, you know, a lot of these things, I would say virtually everything, you you know, you just don't think about it. And I was on my first show um four years and two months ago already, and the person who this was on Newsmax was my very first interview, and the lady who arranged the interview on Newsmax that's got you gotta you gotta have a website. You gotta you know, I never thought about any of this stuff. And uh so it is, it's overwhelming. Yeah, I just wanted to get the I just wanted to get the word out. Right. Not not thinking about all the different things that you really need to do. But yeah, I was made for a time such as this because I I have owned uh lifetime for different businesses that I started from scratch. So this really once I realized that this follows the same model as starting a business, then okay, well now I got it.

SPEAKER_04 20:05

Right, because you've been doing it for a long time.

unknown 20:07

Right.

SPEAKER_04 20:08

Yeah, it's and and that's entrepreneurs have that innate ability to get in there and say, okay, let's get this done. That's that's what happens. And you don't really have a choice. You can't say, well, maybe it's kind of sort of does not fit in an entrepreneur's life. You literally got to reach out, twist and grab it on yourself and say, okay, what's what what next problem are we gonna deal with? And and this book is a great cover. I mean, what an excellent, excellent cover. You got the right graphics, you got the the thunder, the lightning behind the White House. Oh wow, man, that is really hats off to you.

SPEAKER_06 20:41

Well, Thigs. I mean, again, you know, so how does this stuff happen? I didn't come up with the cover. I came up with the I came up with the title and I came up with the subtitle, which we'll talk about, but uh the cover, so how this happened. I met a gentleman 20 years ago uh when I was doing strategic planning, and his name is Jeremiah, and I called him, I said, Jeremiah, and he owns a publishing company now. So uh and so I called him and to see, you know, would you publish the book? He said, Well, it doesn't fit with our audience, but he said, I will I'll help you self-publish. And so he's just done a fantastic job of walking me through these steps. So he came up with the first draft of the cover. Um, I had shared it with Karen Kingston, which I don't know if you know Karen, but she's she's well known in this um movement, and and she really liked the cover, but she said you gotta get the the clouds need to be red instead of yellow. So that's how those clouds turn red. Uh it's just it's neat stuff how it all happens.

SPEAKER_04 21:41

It does. It looks it looks great. Now, on the on the other side of the page, you must have the back side of it because your ISBN's on there. And it's kind of a summary.

SPEAKER_06 21:51

Yeah, there's a short summary on the back. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 21:53

Yeah, it is it and if you get a chance to read it, this is uh our amazinggrace.net. Reach out, take A peek. Look at it. Look at what's going on. And there's an Amazon link, there's a Buy Me link. I mean, you it's really. I bet you never thought you'd be doing any of this ten years ago.

SPEAKER_06 22:09

Oh my god. Yeah, I never thought I would be doing this one year ago. One year ago? Well, writing a book. I mean, I just I had always rejected it. A whole bunch of people had suggested um writing a book, and I just reject it, so I don't have time. And you know, I also thought it's a couple years to get it to market. It's still long to get it to market, but it was substantially faster than what I was led to believe at the beginning.

SPEAKER_04 22:34

We've launched four different books on on this podcast. And and for some reason, it just seems to be like the place people are launching books from. And they g get the word gets out and all of a sudden it's you know it's global because of our reach. And I I'm gonna launch you, you know, I'll help you launch this one if you want. Are you out right now?

The New Book: Why Self‑Publish And How

SPEAKER_06 22:56

Yeah, I want you to help me too. I mean, I was uh just so impressed when you contacted me and said, hey, I want to I want to talk about your book first. So that's great. Uh technically I did have one interview last week on Thursday evening on the book, but this is my first big interview, and I have two more today.

SPEAKER_04 23:15

Isn't that something how it's you get on a show and and you can you have free reign, it's me and you, it's a conversation, everybody's listening in. I mean everybody's listening in. And you can say what you want without editing, without clipping, without violating your First Amendment rights by squeezing off things. This is why we have the show. And this is the reason we have you on, because I want people to say what they need to say. In their mind, it needs to come out. And we appreciate you. We appreciate the fight, we appreciate this for gracie the very principles of our operation is is you.

SPEAKER_06 23:51

I really appreciate that, Tim. So I want to cover if you look at the cover title, uh so the cover title, you know, I framed it as a question. Yeah, you know, it at the beginning it was a statement. So I had the first title was The Government Is Legally Killing Us. So of course I know the government's legally killing us, but you know, as a title, I wanted it as a question. But then the subtitle gives you a clue as to uh what the book is about. So if you look at the subtitle, uh it says, Is the evidence evidence obvious? And so I'll just talk about that for a moment uh because it is obvious. Uh I believe Satan is under God. In fact, I know he's under God, and one of the principles that God uses for his people was revealed in Genesis 18, 17, when God said to Abraham, Shall I withhold from Abraham what of what I'm about to do? And that's before God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Uh and I have seen now over and over and over with how um brazen the facts are when you see them, that Satan is showing us what he is doing. And we, by just participating and either not realizing it or not caring, we are tacitly giving approval. So is the evidence obvious? Yes. And an example would be Obamacare Section 1553, which legalized euthanasia in America on March 23rd, 2010. So I've got that in, you know, I have many illustrations and diagrams of the book because as one of my friends who read the book uh to write a review, he said, but you didn't uh you didn't hold anything back, and you brought all the receipts. So I'm showing the evidence. It's not just, hey, this is some guy's opinion. I'm showing the evidence, and I have 70 end notes uh to document my sources as to where I got the things that I haven't clipped inside the book. And then the second subtitle is How Fear of Death and the Illusion of Freedom Turn Us Into Accomplices to Evil. So we're participating, and that's the secret of Satan's method is he gets us to participate. So, for example, you know, we talked in the open about the idea of the limited resources on the planet nonsense. So, how do we participate in that? Well, we all now recycle. So, why do we recycle? Recycling is a scam. Yeah, it's been exposed as a scam, but they get us participating in subconsciously we're recycling because there's limited resources on the planet. So we bought into the lie by recycling. Uh, why do we vote? Uh we have a country that's a corporation. It's complete foolishness to participate that way. Everybody intuitively knows we're voting for the lesser of two evils. So why do you do that? And so then we become accomplices. So we have no excuse because we voted our guy in, and so now our guy wants to have safer vaccines, uh, universal basic income, uh, central bank digital currency, you know, universal ID. Okay, so okay, well, we're we tacitly agree with all that stuff because we voted for our guy. I didn't vote, by the way. Uh I once I realized the deception I checked out. That's why my series, I chose the bigger series I'm working on, is Escaping Babylon.

SPEAKER_04 27:28

Well, I don't know if I'd share that. I didn't vote part too much, by the way. Well, you might want to keep that one to yourself. Remember, those who don't vote can't bitch.

SPEAKER_06 27:43

I understand. George Carlin had a great take on that. Uh when he exposed that he didn't vote. He said, you know, that's the common thing. Those who don't vote uh can't bitch about it. But then he his spin on it was those who don't vote aren't responsible for this nightmare.

Title, Subtitle, And “Evidence Is Obvious”

SPEAKER_04 27:59

Well, that is true too. Fire with fire. I mean sometimes you just gotta you know everybody says I'm a Trump supporter bootlicker type thing. And I went, you know, really? Come on. I got enough people on the show on both sides of defense where it's it's just gonna be common sense. But when common sense throws them in the face and they still vote wrong, I don't care what part it is, you need your head checked. And that's why but you know, if you don't show up, that's when the the devil, as you say, wins. Because idle hands uh are the devil's tools.

SPEAKER_06 28:34

Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_04 28:36

So good, bad, or indifferent, you you gotta you gotta make a stand. You're making a stand here is Gracie's thing, and and that's that's a total win. But what if you didn't do nothing?

SPEAKER_06 28:46

Well, I agree. I mean, it's uh this is the rest of my life. I mean, I've never worked so hard on something before. You know, praise God I'm in a position that I can do this. Uh I have um very limited time in the business now, about three hours a week, so that I can spend full time on on this mission. And you know, this book is becoming it's a it's just a puzzle piece in the bigger picture mission. Yeah. To you know, hopefully wake people up so that they don't lose their best buddy.

SPEAKER_04 29:16

Wake them up a little bit, just some.

SPEAKER_06 29:20

Well, you know, the what's interesting is the way that I wrote the book, Tim, is that it uh so somebody like you reading it cover to cover, it will just check all the boxes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so but it's all in one place. And then we we did an index, so it's it's a resource, but then what I'm hoping people who read it read it do with it is that they give it to somebody who's not awake because it is a gentle way to systematically, logically walk through this whole thing. And by the time they're done, uh I I expect people to wake up because of it.

SPEAKER_04 29:58

Well, we'd we'd like to hope that, right?

SPEAKER_06 30:00

That's what I hope for, yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:03

You can lead the horse to that water, but sometimes that first slip is a little bit of work.

SPEAKER_06 30:08

That's right.

SPEAKER_04 30:10

Uh what is your market on this book? I do want to be you want to stay on shore, do you want to go offshore? Where do you want this to be in as far as National, International Space Station? Which one?

SPEAKER_06 30:21

Well, it's written for America. I don't know that it'll get traction outside. I do have some interviews overseas already scheduled, but I don't know that it's going to get traction there because but if this is the concept here, the blueprint here is worldwide. Um, but the evidence that I'm bringing to the table is, you know, like Obamacare, Section 1553. Well, other countries have the equivalent, but I didn't bring that receipt to the table.

SPEAKER_04 30:48

I see. You know, most how do you put it? 99.9% of all the people that check statistics never checked statistics. So you literally you could say anything you wanted to, and they're never gonna check it anyway. And if they do check it, then they're they're gonna still call you out on it or it's wrong, or or whatever faction you do you know they want to believe in. But I tell you, sometimes you you just gotta put a little bit of fiction in the nonfiction story sometimes.

SPEAKER_06 31:15

Well, I kept this all nonfiction, so I do understand that. I did keep it nonfiction. I did tell some uh I I also kept it light, uh at but also serious. I mean, I told some stories about Grace that are interwoven throughout the book. Uh the last chapter is as serious as it gets. It's uh about Grace's last day on Earth. Yeah, and it goes through blow by blow what happened. Uh it's intense. I haven't read it yet.

SPEAKER_04 31:42

I I I do want to read it. Have you um did you get her violin work in there and all that stuff?

SPEAKER_06 31:49

Well, Grace played violin. Oh, she taught it too. No, she didn't teach violin, but she she played violin. Okay. Yeah, and and she was actually pretty pretty good. Uh she had a fantastic violin teacher, and and the reason I say she was fantastic is because she had the gift that a tea a real teacher has to have, which is meet the person where they're at. And so Grace had Down syndrome, so you know you'd expect her learning style would be different, and it was different. And what she was able to do was um so they would play duets together, the violin teacher on the piano, Grace on the violin, and she would be so tuned into Grace that she would slow the tempo down with the piano when Grace would slow down on the violin, and and it just it it was awesome, Tim.

SPEAKER_04 32:43

History in the making, right?

SPEAKER_06 32:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:46

Well that that's that's the win. Because this is all about her and then your struggle and fight to put a face on all this.

Participation, Consent, And Becoming Complicit

SPEAKER_06 32:55

Yeah, that's for sure. Uh I'll I'll share uh uh I just want to get to it so I can read it, read it easily. I want to just share something that uh that I wrote in the book. Uh our expert from the trial was Dr. Gilbert Berdine. So in the last chapter of the book, you know, so the book uh introduces grace, but then I go through the uh systematically how the government has legally uh facilitated murder. So is the government legally killing us? So medical murder is the number one cause of death in America, and I prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt in the book. There's no question that it is the number one cause of death. Well, then as we close up the book, um I talk about repentance uh and then go into the last chapter on Grace's uh last day on earth. And I'm just gonna read from that last chapter. Uh, and what I'm quoting is from Dr. Gilbert Burdayen. He was our medical expert during Grace's trial, and this is from his report dated December 6th of 2024. So this is directly out of the book. Uh our medical expert, Gilbert Burdain MD, gave a scathing account relative to the staff's use of Presidex. In his report dated December 6th of 2024, he stated, quote, the only solution recommended by any of the physicians named as defendants in this case for the observed agitation of GRACE was chemical sedation starting with Presidex, end quote. He reported, quote, Presidex was not safe for GRACE at an infusion rate greater than 0.7 microgram per kilogram per hour. It does not matter what prior experience of anyone has been with other patients, end quote. He then added, quote, every time the use of Presidex by defendants failed to achieve the desired result and caused life-threatening complications, the defendants got a bigger hammer by raising the precedex dose, end quote. Most damning of his conclusions was, quote, on October 13th, around midnight, the Presidex was increased to 0.8 microgram per kilogram per hour. This was a deliberate overdose. The predictable result of this dose would be cardiovascular collapse. The only question would be how long it would take for the overdose to become fatal. End quote. There's a hundred and forty-two thousand American deaths every single month right now. Wow. That are caused by medical murder.

SPEAKER_04 35:46

Now, has the um judge issued a gag order in any of this?

SPEAKER_06 35:50

No. Uh there the well, I should say I need to add a little qualifier. So there was a gag order, which is still in place, uh, but it's limited to um me not showing the video depositions of the doctors and nurses who we deposed. Uh I can share their audio, um, I can share the deposition transcript, but I cannot share their video.

SPEAKER_04 36:17

Do you have the judge's decision on audio?

SPEAKER_06 36:23

Yes, because the entire trial was live streamed. I have uh two backup copies of the um uh the original that was done. Uh the new American had sent a uh videographer to the courtroom, and so I have that original uh you know, hundreds of hours of tape uh on a uh backup gig stick.

SPEAKER_04 36:47

Usually when a judge renders an opinion, he's gone through the you had sticks on the jury, correct? No, there was twelve. Oh, a full twelve, okay. But he has these little stains before he tries to put it in perspective and concept and it would be interesting to get those last uh what five five, ten minutes worth of video. And I'll put that on the on the web page for Hotcast and attach it to this to this link. Is that something that would be easy for you to acquire?

SPEAKER_06 37:18

It would be hard because I already have it, but it would be hard for me to cut it out because it's all part of uh I don't have the software. So the software you need to cut these things apart I don't have yet. And yeah, I I don't know where that's going to go if I'm gonna hire somebody to do that eventually or just get the software so that I can do it myself. Uh but there's so many pieces of that trial that need to be cut so that we can can share it with the world.

Mission, Audience, And Launch Plans

SPEAKER_04 37:47

Yeah, quantify it down, right? Well, what what I do is I'd I'll I'll cut up a piece and then I'll put that last like five minutes issue. Because you want to see how the judge reacts facial. Uh tweaks of the face. You know, you can tell a lot when a judge makes a decision if he's in agreement with it or he's not, just by reading him in the room. That's why it's that critical to say, you know, because he's gonna be saying something that's gonna change lives of forever. Correct. And that's why for me it's the critical point. Like for everybody. I mean he's rendering an opinion. I mean, not he's making a position.

SPEAKER_06 38:24

Yeah, no question about it. In fact, I'm going to give you a summary here in just a moment. I I wrote a um a summary. I just did a live presentation yesterday, and I want to just grab the slide from that so I can uh share the summary. Uh so I can give you the link to where this is online.

SPEAKER_04 38:45

If you do that, that link. I should be able to grab some of it offline, even if it's just audio, then I can just incorporate it into the mix here.

unknown 38:51

Right.

SPEAKER_04 38:52

It would be nice to see the video though, because you can't unhide your facial expressions.

SPEAKER_06 38:58

Yes, I'll send you the link to that uh once we're done with the call. Uh so yeah, here's the conclusion of the trial. Uh the defense, through their experts, said that by being in a hospital, you're giving implied consent and that the drugs that euthanize Grace were normal in an ICU, so no informed consent is necessary. Doctors informing the family is not even necessary for the two prior overdoses. The third overdose killed Grace. Finally, their experts stated that uh do not intubate, and just to frame that we were asked to give a preauthorization for ventilation just in case, and we denied that. So uh the experts stated that a DNI, so the judge or the doctor labeled their DNI is the same as DNR, and a doctor can unilaterally place a DNR on a patient without consent, without a witness, and without a signature, and without a DNR bracelet. So that's what the jury decided. Uh so you think, how is this even possible? Right. And it's possible because people don't understand how a trial works. Uh we had Dr. Gilbert Berdine as an expert, solid as a rock. They brought in five experts, two of which were from Johns Hopkins, which was where the whole COVID scam started. And you know, so they spent hundreds of thousands on these experts. So they had five experts frame Grace's case as normal against our experts. That's that's uh this this isn't he actually called it insane what they did on the band. Oh boy. You know, so you have uh you know, but ultimately this is the the precedent that was set at Grace's trial. And and by the way, I really don't see it much as a precedent. I see it as simply documenting what they've been doing for decades.

SPEAKER_04 40:47

I believe this was the last straw in this lawsuit. You can't file again.

SPEAKER_06 40:51

Is that correct? Um we I I believe the appeal period has expired. I'm not 100% sure I decided to not appeal for a lot of different reasons. Um, you know, but just the simplest reason is you know, this system is an antichrist legal system. It's not designed to win. Um it's designed to break you. And you know, the trial itself, you know, the all the time, um I gave my life for that. It it was it's intense. I don't want I don't want another trial.

SPEAKER_04 41:28

Well, I think you put a heck of a face on it already, don't you?

SPEAKER_06 41:31

Yeah, I we did what we were called to do.

SPEAKER_04 41:34

I don't know, Gracie, but I would if I'm talking to you several times and meeting you, I I would I would feel that she would say she's looking down saying, Thanks, Dad. Thanks for making me not irrelevant.

SPEAKER_06 41:49

She'll never be she'll never be irrelevant. She was irrelevant.

SPEAKER_04 41:54

Of course not to us, but the w the the world system makes it irrelevant. And and that's the sad part.

SPEAKER_06 42:02

Yeah, she was a martyr. Grace is a martyr, and uh God used her to wake me up personally, um, and now I have responsibility because of that.

SPEAKER_04 42:13

Are you having any plans to advocate for other people in these positions?

Grace’s Story And Final Day Excerpt

SPEAKER_06 42:18

What what's your your big picture like Yeah, boy, that's a million-dollar question. I I really don't have an answer to that other than what we decided at the beginning was to walk through any door that got opened. Uh when so after Grace died, I went into a different hospital two days later. I just about died, and after I recovered, got out, Cindy, my wife, and I were talking about okay, what are we gonna do now? You know, Grace is our life, what are we gonna do? Right. So we we set up a nonprofit, which is our our nonprofit now, it's called Our Amazing Grace's Light Shines on Inc. So we have a nonprofit, and the intention originally was we're going to use our estate to help other disabled kids do the things that Grace was able to do. Uh so that was our original intention. Well, then once Grace's case got the national spotlight, I mean, this is what we've been doing. Um but you know, eventually that will die down, and then we see us getting back into what our original intention was, um, unless God has other plans.

SPEAKER_04 43:28

Yeah. Those doors always open and closed, aren't they?

SPEAKER_06 43:32

They are.

SPEAKER_04 43:33

And and and if nobody's ever gone through anything like this, they're just doors that you didn't know existed.

SPEAKER_06 43:40

It's unbelievable. I mean, just the the story to get to do a lawsuit is I just see you see his hand through this whole thing. It's it's um one miracle after another.

SPEAKER_04 43:53

Well, if you take that path and that door opens for you to advocate for someone else in this type of Position, uh, Godspeed to you, because that its in itself, you've already lived it. And they could certainly benefit from your experience.

SPEAKER_06 44:10

Well, my wife is actually in Chippa Falls right now, three hours away. We've been advocating for this lady, my wife directly, you know, me. That's why I have that's why I told you before we got on air, I got all these things going on because my wife is going, well, where is she? Well, she's advocating for a disabled lady in Chippa Falls. And uh this started in July of 2024. Uh we received a call from the family because they had seen our local billboards, they had been following Grace's story, they weren't from town, and this lady ended up at St. Elizabeth's Hospital in Appleton, the same hospital Grace was killed at. So they said, Will you go visit her? So we said, sure. So we went uh to the hospital again in July of 2024. Um, unbelievably, this lady was on the same floor, only a few doors down from where Grace died. Uh so we get into her room and she uh was on a ventilator, so she couldn't talk. And you know, we introduce ourselves, start talking with her, so she's showing her pictures on her phone, and two armed guards showed up and said, You're not you're not welcome here. Uh so we were escorted out and ultimately followed her down. She was transferred from Appleton to Madison, followed her down to Madison, and uh found out she had become a ward of the state. She was appointed a state guardian, and it was a nightmare. My wife saved her life multiple times, and uh we ended up connecting with her family, and my wife and this lady's sister took over guardianship to get her out of the system. Um holy cow rings a bell, doesn't it?

unknown 46:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:01

How did you guys feel when you when you got to the hospital? No one well, I mean, we had this conversation before. Knowing that the hospital don't want you watch undergrounds. You you got in, I mean, no one's gonna check you at the door. They don't know who you are until all of a sudden, magically, boom, someone's paying attention to who you really are.

unknown 46:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:18

I mean, how did that feel to be back in the devil's uh lair?

SPEAKER_06 46:24

It was awkward. Yeah, it was um I had my wits about me, thankfully, so um the two armed guards take us down um to the ground floor, and so then I said, Can you just stay with my wife? I'm gonna go get the car and bring it up. And so then I turned on my recording device on the phone and came back in and talked with the guards. I just substack on it and included the recording of the guards. Um so it just you know, it's just is you feel like you have a target on your back. So it's it's awkward. I mean it's we're used to it now. You know, at the be you know, at the earlier stages you start wondering, you know, are you just gonna be taken out? What's going on? But God's is Grace Grace's one of Grace's favorite lines is God's got this dad. Yeah, I remember you saying that. Yeah, I think it's true. I mean uh I don't have any fear of it. I mean, if it's my time and somebody ends up doing that, it is what it is. The story will get much bigger if that happens.

SPEAKER_04 47:30

Oh yeah, well, you would hope. You would hope. But uh but again, I can I couldn't imagine the feelings you were getting going back to shall we say the scene of the crime?

SPEAKER_06 47:46

Well, yeah, I mean it was the scene of the crime, and the reason we were kicked out, I believe, is because we were in depositions at that point. And so when we walked down the hallway, uh you know, I recognized two of the nurses that we deposed, and of course they recognized me, so they called security right away.

SPEAKER_04 48:04

Ah, that's how they got you. Sure.

SPEAKER_06 48:06

Right.

SPEAKER_04 48:07

Yeah. I was wondering if they were watching cameras or how did they single you out? All of a sudden, here it is, the the sheriff family walking in, and how how does someone not recognize you? So yeah, that was a thing in my head. Like, well, how did they really get ya? Yeah. And I can have you know, they told you before not to go back.

SPEAKER_06 48:27

Well, yeah, in so many words they did, but I mean we're just I mean, how can you restrict somebody in a public facility from visiting somebody? It was it was odd. No, but then we're also in the middle of the lawsuit. I had uh sent the information to uh one of the attorneys right away to see, you know, should we do anything with this? And yes, we just chose to leave it lie. Yeah. Yeah, I think. Because we're right in the we're right in the throes of the lawsuit.

SPEAKER_04 48:56

Oh, I for sure. I mean and is it is it considered public place? Because aren't hospitals like a business?

Gag Orders, Trial Assets, And Jury Dynamics

SPEAKER_06 49:03

Well, yeah, that's a great question. I mean, they're um I would think that they would be at least the one that we were at, because it's uh it's a 501c3, so I mean they're uh nonprofit. So I would expect that we would at least have um some type, you know, if you think about what a hospital is, and I exposed this in in the book, a hospital is a state actor. So the state actor doctrine, most people wouldn't necessarily uh know what that is, but if you um look at the constitution, the constitution gives the government uh very limited power. And so how does the government control health care? Right, right, right, do it through the state actor doctrine. Because the you know the constitution would not allow the government to control health care, period. End of story. But they're they do it, and they do it through the state actor doctrine. Um and I write about this in a good amount of length in the book because uh there hasn't been, we actually hired a national attorney to see if we could file a state actor doctrine lawsuit, and he wrote a 35-page report up with a summary in the book as to why it's not feasible to break that barrier. But I mean, this is all unconstitutional. Center the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services controls the entire healthcare industry through reimbursement practices. Yes. And I'd learned of this in 2018, and I tell the story in the book. Uh, and this happened when I was diagnosed with heart disease. They told me that I needed to go on the statin to reduce my cholesterol, and I started to research uh the statin, realized you know, I'm not gonna do that, and the doctor uh surprisingly was okay with my decision. The nurse walked me out, and I consider her a good nurse by what she told me. And and she said, Scott, I'm gonna tell you something you're not gonna want to hear. I said, What is it? She said, You have to go on the statin. I said, What are you talking about? I don't have to do anything. She said, Our Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement rates are based on what percentage of our patient population we get on the standard of care. And the standard of care for heart disease that you have is the statin. I said, Well, I'm not on Medicare and Medicaid. And she said, Well, you didn't hear me. She said, It's based on our entire patient population following the standard of care. That's what our reimbursement rates are based on. So she said, if a num enough patients like you aren't willing to follow the standard of care, we have to fire you as a patient. Oh. Really? To keep our reimbursement rates up.

SPEAKER_04 51:47

Because you're not part of the equ uh the math equation at that point.

SPEAKER_06 51:51

Yeah, I'm not willing to submit to the you know, this is so the statin drug, I expose this in the book also. Uh the statin drug causes dementia. Uh the statin drug actually causes heart disease. Uh it's the cure, the cure that the system has um is designed to kill you. So, you know, that I'm just gonna compare uh that standard of care. So that standard of care is okay, you got heart disease, drug is the standard of care. Uh, the standard of care for cancer is chemotherapy. Chemotherapy has a 97.9% kill rate after five years. Okay, so these are the standards of care that are designed to kill us. That's euthanasia. Um it's it's eugenics. It's eugenics on steroids, but it's it's a stealth eugenics. Um, the standard of care that I was explaining at the trial is if you can bring enough experts in to say, well, this is what a similar doctor would do in a same or similar situation, the standard of care becomes relative. So that's how they pulled off the um the summary of the trial that I shared earlier. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 53:06

But you still have my uh Well, you can you can do this on Facebook. Throw me a link on the hotcast.

SPEAKER_06 53:12

I'm not on Facebook, but I have I have your email. So I will send you. I want to just double check it here.

SPEAKER_04 53:18

Don't say it online here.

SPEAKER_06 53:22

No problem. I send you uh well, I'll yeah, I'll just text you afterwards.

SPEAKER_04 53:26

Yeah. Well, you dig into the book, everybody. Uh go to your local Amazon, download it, uh, read it, order it. And and I hope that this works well for you. Uh it's quite a path that you've been on. Uh our our amazinggrace.net. Yeah, I think you can buy it right on the site, I believe. Yeah, right there.

SPEAKER_06 53:50

We have the link. So yeah, so what happens if you touch on the book with your pointer, it'll take you right to the uh ways to purchase it.

SPEAKER_04 53:58

Yeah, that looks pretty good. It's a it's a wonderful site. Gracie would be proud of you.

SPEAKER_06 54:04

Thanks a lot, Tim. I really really appreciate it.

What The Verdict Effectively Endorsed

SPEAKER_04 54:08

Well, I uh I appreciate you coming on here. We're 47 minutes. I did not take a break on this one, everybody. I we I decided to keep rolling through it while we're talking because you know the iron's hot, and when it's hot you keep rolling. You don't ever stop and say, you know, woe to horse race. So I'm glad I'm glad you kept rolling with this, Scott, because I I I didn't know the proper spot to break in. So we're just gonna roll without mids today, and we'll do an entrance and an outrance. Is there anything else you want to add before we bounce?

SPEAKER_06 54:35

You know, I I always am asked uh what do we do now? And you know, I I want to give two answers to that, and it's based on Revelation 13, which has become the point of uh reference for everything that I do right now. And so physically, how do you prepare? And uh the best thing I can tell people is to get comfortable dying, and the only way to do that is to know where you're going when you die, which the only way to do that is to have a relationship with Jesus Christ. And then spirit, so that's the physical side. The spiritual side is uh repentance, and right now the the the message that I have is watch out for false prophets, and so there's a lot of things going on in our country right now, there's a lot of lies being told, uh, but I know how we got here, and we got here by rejecting God. So consequently, the only way out of this mess is repentance. So anyone who is selling um solutions and they don't acknowledge how we got here, so consequently, there's no call for repentance. Uh that person is a false prophet.

SPEAKER_04 55:50

We have a lot of those in Congress, don't we? Local governments, state governments. Oh man, I'll tell you. The the rules apply to you, not to thee, type of thing. And and let's not go down there. I don't even know if I have enough tape for that conversation. Okay, everybody. We've got Scotch here on the phone. Is the government legally killing us? Question mark. Is the evidence obvious question mark? Look his book up. Take take a peek. And I'm gonna you know keep this link at the on my Facebook site because that's kind of the easiest thing for us to do in the world knows that link. And it's been MPS, by the way, we've gone viral twice when Renee Good got shot, by the way. So uh thank you for everybody for tuning into that deal. And then, of course, when Alex Petty got shot, that was another viral moment. So there's there's almost three million views in a in an eight-hour section. So Scott, you got really good timing because they're gonna see everybody, all those sites are gonna see this.

SPEAKER_06 56:50

Well, thank you, Tim.

SPEAKER_04 56:52

And uh I gotta thank you. I gotta thank the people that tune in. Three million views in that amount of time. I'm like, bravo, people, bravo. Okay, we're gonna pull the pin. We got into this for time. We are oh 15 minutes yet. I'm gonna have enough of what's free and post-roll. Thank you, Scott. Uh thank you, Tim. Reach out, say hi, keep me up to speed. I'm watching the all the emails too. So uh thank you again. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_06 57:18

All right, thanks, Jim.

SPEAKER_04 57:19

Bye. Okay, bye bye. Hot roll. You got me thinking now. Hotcast, now I was gonna pull the pin. And again, you people out there, thank you for uh tuning in. Thanks for the gone viral moment. Uh I can count that as a three for sure. And we'll see you next time on uh hotcast. Be well, everybody. Be vigilant.

Appeals, Limits Of The System, And Resolve

SPEAKER_01 57:46

Ascension Medical Group, Fox Valley, Wisconsin, Inc., Holly McGuinness, RN, and Ascension Northeast Wisconsin Incorporated doing business as Ascension Northeast Wisconsin, St. Elizabeth's campus, case number 23, CB 345. Question number one. Was Dr. Gavin Shokar negligent with regard to the care and treatment he provided to Gray Shara on October 12th through 13th, 2021? The answer, no. Question number one A. We find that Gavin, Dr. Gavin Shokar violated the standard of care by allowing the ongoing admission of Presedex to Gray Shara on October 12, 2021. Answer no. Question number one B. We find that Dr. Gavin Shokar violated the standard of care by allowing the ongoing administration of President X to Gray Shara on October 13, 2021. Answer no. Question number one C, we find that Dr. Gavin Shokar was negligent by ordering the use of Larazopan on October 13th, 2021, to grade Shara. Answer no. Question number one D. We find that Dr. Gavin Shokar was negligent by ordering the use of morphine on October 13th, 2021, to gray Shara. Answer no. Question number two, not answer. Question number three, was Dr. Gavin Chocar negligent in informing Gray Shara andor her power of attorney about the availability of reasonable alternative medical modes of trans or excuse me of treatment and the risks and benefits of these alternative treatments with regard to the care and treatment on October 12th through the 13th of 2021. Answer no. Question number four, not answered. Question number five, were one or more of the nurses at St. Elizabeth's Hospital negligent with regard to the care and treatment provided to Grace Shara between October 6th, 2021 and October 13th, 2021? Answer no. Question number five A. We find that the standard of care required the nurses at St. Elizabeth's Hospital to inform Gray Shara or her power of attorney of the medical event on October 7th, 2021, involving precedent, and they failed to satisfy that standard of care. Answer no. Question number 5B. Question number 5B. We find that the standard of care required the nurses at St. Elizabeth's Hospital to inform Ray Shara or her power of attorney of the medical event on October 8th, 24. Answer no. Question 5B, we find that the standard of care required the nurses at St. Elizabeth's Hospital to communicate with Ray Shara or her power of attorney, and they failed to satisfy that standard of care. Number 5D, we find that the standard of care required the nurses at St. Elizabeth's Hospital to communicate with Grace Shara or her power of attorney in creating a plan to get a replacement for Scott Shara on October 10th, 2021, and they failed to satisfy that standard of care. Answer no. Question number 5E, we find that the standard of care required the nurses at St. Elizabeth's Hospital to communicate with Ray Shara or her power of attorney, and they failed to satisfy that standard of care on October 13, 2021. Answer is no. Question number 5F, we find that Gray Sherrill's family revoked the DNR order on October 13, 2021, and communicated that decision to the nurses at St. Elizabeth's Hospital. Further, we find that the standard of care required the nurses at St. Elizabeth's Hospital to take immediate action at the time they were informed on the decision to revoke the DNR order, and they failed to satisfy the standard of care on October 13th, 2021. The answer is no. Question number six, not answered. Question number seven, not answered. Question number eight, not answered. Verdict is signed by juror four person, number two, four nine five. Dissenting jurors. As to question number one, juror number five eight seven. As to question number five, juror number five eight seven.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:02

What we're going to do is uh call on each of you. It's called polling the jurors. Uh when your juror number gets called, I'm going to ask that you stand. And when you stand, you're going to be asked two questions. The first question is going to be you have heard a reading of the verdict. Is this the verdict of the jury? And you answer that yes or no. And then is this your verdict? And your answer is yes or no. And uh so what that question is asking is based on what you've just heard, is that what the jury agreed to? And then is that what you agreed to, yes or no? Okay. When you're done answering, uh I'd ask that you sit down and then the uh article pull the next curve.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:46

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